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    Quote Originariamente inviata da eLWooD bLuEs Visualizza il messaggio
    te l'ho spiegato sopra

    non è combustione infatti ma pare possa essere chemioluminescenza...
    ovvero emissione di radiazione elettromagnetica, in particolare nel visibile e nel vicino infrarosso, che può accompagnare una reazione chimica...

    considerando una reazione tra i reagenti A e B a dare il prodotto P:

    A + B → P* → P + hυ


    in pratica la reazione porta al prodotto P in uno stato eccitato ed il decadimento allo stato fondamentale non porta alla formazione di calore ma di un fotone (hυ)... è quindi necessario che i meccanismi di decadimento radiativi siano più competitivi rispetto a quelli non radiativi...

    un esempio di reazione che porta a chemiluminescenza è quella del luminolo con perossido di idrogeno ed un catalizzatore metallico...

    quando il fenomeno si verifica in sistemi biologici, ad esempio nelle lucciole, si parla di bioluminescenza... in questi casi le reazioni sono catalizzate da enzimi...

    tornando al nostro proble... se leggi il file che ho linkato capirai... è in ENG... se vuoi te lo traduci da sola

    pensa che esistano anche omini grigi con grossi occhi... ma finché non porti prove vere a sostegno d ciò che dici son solo parole donate al vento...
    per presumere c vogliono ipotesi e le ipotesi non cascano dal pero

    scrivi al CICAP invece che qui... dico sul serio... t sapranno rispondere d certo meglio d me...

    e qui concludo...
    Se me l’avevi detto prima non me ne sono accorta,dato che non sapevo in realtà cosa significava chemiluminescenza…. Poi per quanto riguarda il link ho cliccato ma non va….. e per scrivere al Cicap mi sarebbe piaciuto ma ho visto che accetta solo la posta Outlook Express.. ma a me non funziona,se non solo con la classica email -.-


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  3. #32
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    Quote Originariamente inviata da princip£x@ Visualizza il messaggio
    Se me l’avevi detto prima non me ne sono accorta,dato che non sapevo in realtà cosa significava chemiluminescenza…. Poi per quanto riguarda il link ho cliccato ma non va….. e per scrivere al Cicap mi sarebbe piaciuto ma ho visto che accetta solo la posta Outlook Express.. ma a me non funziona,se non solo con la classica email -.-
    Non è che accetta solo Outlook Express, è che se clicchi sul link di un indirizzo e-mail ti si apre il programma predefinito per la gestione della posta, che in Windows è quello. Se copi l'indirizzo mail e lo incolli nello spazio per l'indirizzo del destinatario nel programma di posta che usi normalmente, va.

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    benedetta figliola... il link che ho messo è ad un file .pdf ergo se non hai Acrobat Reader o simili... non puoi vederlo! ecco spiegato l'arcano...

    ho messo cs è la chemioluminescenza non chemi

    tasto destro sull'indirizzo mail -> copia o copia indirizzo mail...
    usi il programma che più t aggrada e scrivi la mail...
    non aver paura d chiedere... son sempre gentili...

    saluti

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    Ho aperto il link,si è aperto il programma Excel e questo è tutto ciò che ho letto:----->%äüöß 2 0 obj > stream xœå\ÛŠ$¹}˜¨göS‘R^`1tUwûÙö€?À70^ƒ÷e ßRVI eEFv÷,cÜìdåE Eœ8q‘†Ë/_¿üç2\~žÜerÿÎkúûóß.þÍåß÷_Óÿ~þ Ç×/×o_¿¸Å?—y˜žèòí¯—ß¾¹‹›.ßþ~ùqp¿»| g¼ƒžB| þøã@Ã8øÇå%¾öq9 SýÂ“Ï?ÌÃ2¬Ãsüñ:Üî?û¥þ\žYãšwÃ ý—1

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    Quote Originariamente inviata da princip£x@ Visualizza il messaggio
    Ho aperto il link,si è aperto il programma Excel e questo è tutto ciò che ho letto:----->%äüöß 2 0 obj > stream xœåÛŠ}˜¨göS‘R^`1tUwûÙö€?À70^ƒ÷eßRV I eEFv÷,cÜìdåE Eœ8q‘†Ë/_¿üç2~žÜerÿÎkúûóß.þÍåß÷_Óÿ~þ ×/×o_¿¸Å?�—y˜žèòí¯—ß¾¹‹›.ßþ~ùqp¿»|û g¼ƒžB| þøã@Ã8øÇå%¾öq9 Sý�“Ï?ÌÃ2¬Ãsüñ:Üî?û¥þžYãšw�ÃËý —1
    forse xke serve acrobat reader?

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    forse xke serve acrobat reader?
    no, c'è l'ho installato.... boh

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    è un file in .pdf ergo se avessi installato adobe acrobat reader t avrebbe aperto il file...

    non voglio metter nulla in dubbio ma... sei sicura d averlo installato?

    m pare strano... se non t s apre t copio il file qui, se t interessa...

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    Quote Originariamente inviata da eLWooD bLuEs Visualizza il messaggio
    è un file in .pdf ergo se avessi installato adobe acrobat reader t avrebbe aperto il file...

    non voglio metter nulla in dubbio ma... sei sicura d averlo installato?

    m pare strano... se non t s apre t copio il file qui, se t interessa...
    pensandoci bene non ne sono tanto sicura mi farebbe piacere se lo incolli qui,facciamo prima XD

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    va beh... dai te lo posto... è in ENG spero non sia un problema... ma gli articoli son in ENG o in GER

    PS: se hai problemi a capire qualcosa chiedimi pure


    On the track of the will-o'-the-wisp

    Luigi Garlaschelli, Paolo Boschetti
    Dipartimento di Chimica Organica, Università di Pavia
    Via Taramelli 10 - 27100 Pavia, Italy
    luigi.garlaschelli@unipv.it

    The will-o'-the-wisp [1 a-c] is a rare luminous phenomenon that can sometimes be seen at night, near the ground, in natural environments such as marshes or graveyards, and it consists of of a faint flame or flickering glowing fog. Its occurrence as a real event is fairly certain, and, although its spooky appearance may have given rise in the past to supernatural superstitions, its natural origin was later generally accepted.
    Unless a will-o'-the wisp will be observed under proper condition, captured and/or chemically analyzed, its real nature will still remain the object of speculation.
    It is often stated that the phenomenon originates from the spontaneous combustion of gases generated undeground by anaerobic fermentation processes. These gases consist mainly of methane and carbon dioxide (ca 30%). Small amounts of phosphine (PH3) and diphosphine P2H4 (self-igniting on contact with the air) would act as a "chemical match" for the combustible methane.
    Although this hypothesis is one century old , the presence of PH3 in marsh gases had never been convincingly proven. If, however, the will-o'-the-wisp indeed is a hot flame, this conjecture might be correct.
    A different hypothesis - not excluding the former, since two distinct phenomena might well coexist - is that the will-o'-the-wisp is a sort of cold flame, inconsistent with a normal combustion of methane, as reliable eye-witnesses have reported.
    "Cool flames" can indeed been generated if vapours of suitable organic compounds like ethyl ether, come in contact with a hot surface kept at temperatures around 200-300 °C [2]. These luminescent pre-combustion haloes are sufficiently cool that a hand or a piece of paper can be put in them without being burned. The main objections to this interesting hypothesis are that the necessary vapours are not known components of marsh gases, and that the presence of surfaces at such high temperatures is difficult to admit in nature.
    Thus, the cold chemiluminescence of some compound naturally occurring in marsh gases appears to be a more appealing explanation.
    Recently, the presence of PH3 in anaerobic fermentation processes has indeed been detected by reliable means [3 a,b]. The easy oxydation of lower alkyl phosphines in the presence of air is well known, and chemiluminescence can be easily observed in the dark when e.g. tri-buthyl phosphine is finely dispersed on an inert support like glass wool.
    The chemiluminescence of PH3 (the only naturally occurring term) is also known, but in laboratory environments it has appearently been little investigated. Most of the early researches concentrated on the explosion limits of this toxic gas, while recently its chemiluminescence has been studied at low pressures and/or high temperatures and/or by means of such oxidants as ozone, NO, etc. [4]
    However, we reconsidered with this regard a century-old observation [5] in which PH3, O2 and an inert gas were fed, through three small nozzles, at the base of a vertical glass tube. By carefully adjusting the flow of the inlets, in the dark a faint flickering luminescence could be seen near the top of the tube due to the chemiluminescence of PH3.
    PH3 can be generated as described elsewhere [6a-c] from non-toxic red P and KOH, from the thermal decomposition of phosphorous acid or from calcium phosphide and a diluted acid.

    Our first equipment (Fig. 1 and Scheme 1) consisted of a 500 mL flat-bottomed glass Erlenmeyer flask in which we put a small amount of solid phosphorous acid (H2PO3). The flask was stoppered by a
    silicone septum through which a mixture of air and nitrogen, stored on water within a gas tank, could be fed by a needle. A second needle in the septum, connected to a long rubber tubing leading to the lab hood, provided for the necessary outlet. The flask was flushed with nitrogen, then it was put on a hot plate which was heated at ca 200 °C.
    The decomposition of phosphorous acid generated PH3 in situ and a fog formed in the flask. When the air/nitrogen stream was fed into the phosphine vapours, a faint pale greenish light was clearly visible in the darkness. (Fig. 2)
    Three experiments were run (Table 1) using different amounts of air and nitrogen. We are now planning to improve the design of this experimental demonstration by mixing the gases from three separated nozzles at measurable flow rates.

    Table 1
    Entry g H2PO3 mL air mL nitrogen % O2 notes
    1 3 80 5600 0.3
    2 1 180 6150 0.61
    3 1.6 360 5320 1.42 brighter luminescence

    Mills [1b] reports, giving no experimental details, that injecting crude phosphine into a current of natural gas (i.e. CH4 + CO2) at a level insufficient to cause ignition produces a bright green luminescent “flame”; but there was plenty of smoke, a characteristic smell, and the color did not match what was expected, according to the eye-witnesses. We notice, however, that under different condition (relative and absolute amounts of the gases, temperature and humidity, etc.) smoke and smell could be not
    present; or even – if present - they might have gone unnoticed. Furthermore, under condition of feeble light, the human eye cannot easily discriminate between colours.
    We therefore suppose that, as far as we know, the chemiluminescence of PH3 might well be a likely explanation for this elusive phenomenon; given the right conditions, the suitable range of concentrations of the appropriate gases for which it takes could possibly be found also in nature,
    generating a will-o'-the-wisp.
    Of course, this or other speculations could be confirmed or disproved by generating a chemiluminescent gas by biological fermentation processes, or - even better - by capturing a real willo'-the-wisp.

    In a second line of research, we reasoned that, if indeed PH3 is involved in the generation of the willo'-the wisp, there is no need for hunting it during the night. Will-o'-the wisp may occur even during the daytime, when its appearence will be invisible because of the stronger light. Also, PH3 might be present in lower concentration than those required for the phenomenon to arise; nevertheless, its detection in the presence of decaying organic matter (most easily in cemeteries) might provide an indirect evidence
    of its involvement in the occurrence of will-o'-the-wisp.

    Consequently, we are planning the monitoring of air samples from graveyards, marshes, etc. using a very sensitive PH3 detector, a portable Draeger Xam-7000. [7 and Fig. 3] The first few trials in the cemetry of Pavia, at night and during the day [Fig. 4], gave until now negative results; but the the hunting season is always open.

    Acknowledgments
    We thank: Prof. M.Oddone and C. Herborg (University of Pavia) for hospitality;
    Dr M. Benzo (Osmotech) for Draeger Xam-7000 and
    F. Ramaccini for helpful suggestions.

    References
    [ 1 ]
    a) Will-o'-the-wisp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (may 2007)
    b) A. A. Mills, Will-o'-the-wisp. Chem. Brit., 69-72, Feb. 1980, and refs cited therein.
    c) A. A. Mills, Will-o'-the-wisp revisited. Weather, 55, 239-241 (2000)

    [ 2 ]
    W. H. Perkin, J. Chem. Soc. 1899, 75, 600.

    [ 3 ]
    a) Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. Engl. 1993, 32, 5, 761-763
    b) Naturwissenschaften, 80 (1993), 78-80
    [ 4 ]
    a) D. Harris, M. Chou, T. Cool, Experiments concerning phosphorus chemiluminescence. J. Chim. Phys., 82, (8), 1985,
    3502-3515 (PH3 and N2O and at 666 Torr)
    b) J. Chem. Soc. Faraday Trans. I, 1983, 79, 527-542 (PH3 + O3 at reduced press.)
    c) J. Phys. Cem., 1984, 88, 5569-5574 (ab initio calc.)
    d) J. Chem. Soc. Faraday Trans. I, 1984, 80, 285-295 (idem)
    e) Anal. Chem. 1983, 65, 1665-1668 (PH3 + O3 at atm.press)
    f) Proc. Roy. Soc. A, 302, 243-252 (1968) (PH3 and atomic O)

    [ 5 ]
    M Trautz, W. Gabler, Ueber Zunddrucke von Phosphingemischen. Z. Anorg. allgem. Chem., 180, 321 354 (1921)
    See also:
    H. J. van de Stadt, Zeitschr. Physik. Chem., 12, 322-332 (1893).
    H. G. Emeleus . A Spectroscopic study of the Combustione of Phosporus Trioxide and of Hydrogen Phosphide. J. Chem.
    Soc.1362-1368, (1925)

    [ 6 ]
    a) E. Fluck, the Chemistry of Phosphine. Top. Curr. Chem., vol 35.
    b) J.W.Mellor, A Comprehensive Treatise on Inorganic and Theorethical Chemistry, Vol. VIII, 802-821
    c) Inorg. Synth., vol. IX, 56-59.
    [ 7 ]
    a) Drgerwerk AG
    pd_x_am7000.jsp
    b) http://www.afcintl.com/pdf/xam7000.pdf


    Further Chemiluminescence Bibliography:


    Adam, W. and G. Cilento Eds. "Chemical and Biological Generation of Excited States"; Academic Press; New York, 1982.

    Barnett, N. and R. Evans, "Luminescence: Overview" in Encyclopedia of
    Analytical Science, pp 2733-2749; Academic Press, Orlando, FL, 1995.

    Birks, J.W. Ed. "Chemiluminescence and Photochemical Reaction Detection in Chromatography"; VCH Publishers; New York, 1989.

    Burr, J.G. "Chemi-and Bioluminescence"; Marcel Dekker; New York, 1985.

    Campbell, A.K. "Chemiluminescence: Principles and Applications in Biology and Medicine"; VCH, Ellis Horwood Ltd.; New York, 1988.

    DeLuca, M.A. and W. D. McElroy, Eds. "Bioluminescence and Chemiluminescence. Part B; Academic Press; Orlando, FL, 1986.

    Fontijn, A. Ed. "Gas-phase Chemiluminescence and Chemi-ionization"; Elsevier; New York, 1985.

    Gundermann, K.-D. "Chemiluminescence in Organic Chemistry", in Series called Reactivity and Structure: Concepts in Organic Chemistry, Volume 23; Springer-Verlag; Berlin, 1987.

    Lewis, S.W.; D. Price; and P.J. Worsfold, Flow Injection Assays with Chemiluminescence and Bioluminescence Detection - A Review. Journal of
    Bioluminescence and Chemiluminescence, 1993, 8(4), 183-199.

    McGown, L.B, and I.M Warner, Molecular Fluorescence, Phosphorescence, and Chemiluminescence Spectrometry; Analytical Chemistry, 1990, 62(12), 255R.

    Nieman, T. "Chemiluminescence: Theory and Instrumentation, Overview", in Encyclopedia of Analytical Science, pp 608-613; Academic Press, Orlando, FL, 1995.

    Nieman, T. "Chemiluminescence: Techniques, Liquid-Phase Chemiluminescence", in Encyclopedia of Analytical Science, pp 613-621; Academic Press, Orlando, FL, 1995.

    Pringle, M.J. "Analytical Applications of Chemiluminescence"; in Recent Advances in Clinical Chemistry, Vol 30, pp. 89-183, 1993, Academic Press; New York, 1993.

    Schreiner, R.; M. E. Testen; B.Z. Shakhashiri; G.E. Dirren; and L. G. Williams "Chemiluminescence"; Chapter 2 in multivolume set called Chemical Demonstrations, B. Z. Shakhashiri, Ed., Vol. 1; University of Wisconsin Press, Madison,WI, 1983, pp. 125-204.

    Smith, P.E.; K. Johnston; D.M. Reason; and G.M Bodner, A Multicolored Luminescence Demonstration, Journal of Chemical Education, 1992, 69(10), 827-828.

    Stiles, D.A., A.C. Calokerinos, and A. Townshend, "Flame Chemiluminescence Analysis by Molecular Emission Cavity Detection"; Wiley; Chichester, New York, 1994.

    Van Dyke, K. "Bioluminescence and Chemiluminescence : Instruments and Applications"; CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL,1985.

    Warner, I. M. and L.B. McGown, Molecular Fluorescence, Phosphorescence, and Chemiluminescence Spectrometry, Analytical Chemistry, 1992, 64(12), 343R.
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    ripeto... prinicpexa, sei macabra XD
    cmq è inquietante questa cosa Oo

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